Hanover & Tarner Liveable Neighbourhood

Elm Grove/Queen’s Park Road/Egremont Place boundary roads engagement feedback summary

February 2023



Session 1 Online

Session 2 – St Luke’s School

Session 3 - Online

Session 4 – Elm Grove School

 Elm Grove

Elm Grove has puffin – there is illegal parking with no enforcement – could there be a build out in front of school to prevent fly parking/school drop off?



Pavement parking at school drop off is a danger. Can police enforce this?


Why are different types of crossing proposed?





Elm Grove traffic speed restrictions – Vehicle Activated Sign (VAS) indicators are really important as vehicle speed is a problem








Close Arnold Street. Make Bonchurch one way.





We live on Luther Street – love the greening on Luther/EG corner You may need a loading bay where the cycle hangar is planned to stop congestion for Flour Pot.


No safe cycle routes in scheme, so speed reduction is key.

Measures for cyclists – priority lights, cycle lanes, cyclist alert signs


More cycle hangars.


Need additional cycle provision for cyclists


Make cycle hangars ‘greener’/ more attractive


Could section beyond Tenantry Down Road be reduced to 30 mph? This increases speeding on Elm Grove




Introduce a physical barrier/narrowing at the top of Elm Grove to stop fast cars from Warren Road





Good – planting, banning pavement parking, slowing traffic





Displaced parking and non enforcement – a full CPZ is vital

Need to expand parking zones – not enough V at the top of elm grove. Should be S at top triangle

If parking paces are lost parking permit numbers need to reduce too

Concern about sufficient parking on Elm Grove


Maybe half and half chicane per block


Could there be speed cameras on Elm Grove?



Elm Grove – why not speed camera?





Like the full greening and more trees.

Tall wildflowers and shrubs (Elm Grove)





More benches on Elm Grove





Remove unused bike racks on Elm Grove


Lots of guard rail on Elm Grove – quite harsh








Need to flatten out tree roots for access for disabled

QPR/Elm Grove junction


Worried about this junction as much more traffic will be directed to this area.

Live close to EG/QPR junction – lots of accidents and near risks – will this make it worse?

Improve safety here asap – quick fix improve road markings & sign in wrong place

Queen’s Park Road


How will you increase or keep the same number of parking spaces on QPR half way up?

Not enough room for trees on the pavement – narrow bin obstruction.

On-street trees reduces parking – lots of spaces lost to other schemes and bike parking in zone S.

Can we have stats on parking demand and bay reduction?



Resident bays are long spans with varying capacity. Consider defined bays with EV charging points/build outs at each end stopping them encroaching on pavement.


The large motorcycle bay on QPR near Richmond St could include a car space or tree space – poorly used currently



QPR (Elm Grove to Pankhurst – plant trees on the embankment rather than the road. No loss of parking and deeper root stock





I welcome more street trees – even if it takes out parking spaces





We need to look at ways of enforcing 20mph on QPR rather than simply calming traffic. We need to keep it obstacle-free but there are still people who drive very fast without repercussion

How does adding central hatching etc reduce speed?








Streets are blocked by wheelie bins – dangerous and not suitable for QPR.


More regular rubbish collections and communal bins.





Junction of Southover Street & QPR has had no consideration despite being busiest junction




Pollution is a problem as cars will keep engines running on QPR as people go to nursery/pharmacy. Pollution is a problem and greening would be great





Why no zebras on QPR?

Experiment with French style regular zebras all along QPR rather than more islands


Potential for issues around refuges at road junctions/corners. Sussex St/Richmond St end. Residents parking on west side. People park at the end of residents parking bay rows – if a refuge is there parking either blocks road or parks on pavement. Refuges need bollards to prevent parking on them.

Junction of Richmond St/QPR dangerous because of parked cars causing poor visibility for traffic emerging from Richmond St.


Need enforcement of 20mph limit


Can the south bound bus stop be moved further up the road?


Top of Islingword Road – build out proposal. Drays need to get to constant service and islingword pub – build outs and island may be too tight.



New traffic island on QPR near Islingword – cars can currently pass busses – an island would prevent this and cause queues.


The post office requires vehicles to park outside for cash delivery.


Tree planting outside Pepperpot would reduce visibility of local landmark



Is the taxi rank needed on QP Terrace/QPR junction. Space here for cycle hangar/bike share instead of Pepperpot lawn


St Luke’s Terrace ped refuge – don’t want beeping puffins but a zebra might be good.







Why no trees shown on QPR between Downs Terr and Pepperpot

 Yes to trees south of Islingword. Trees instead of bins

Egremont Place

Crossing at top of Egremont place – feels quite dangerous even though there is an island because of poor visibility on bend.  This could be a priority area for improved crossing?


Crossing at QPR/Egremont. Getting off bus at QPR and crossing a problem – can’t see round the corner. Slowing traffic is v important and safer crossing for pedestrians is needed here.

Junction refuge at Egremont Rd is really dangerous – first cars come from both directions and pedestrian views are obscured. Need lights?


Egremont Gate – could all 4 directions be crossed at once with 4 way controls? Like Oxford Circus – cross any direction & all direction stopping?






Egremont Place – the majority of residents discussion on Whatsapp has been Egremont place and concern about extra traffic. Too narrow for buses to pass & parked cars get damaged. Coal holes beneath pavement are also being damaged. Could buses be re-routed to Mount Pleasant /Freshfield Road? Could traffic lights be put at the top of Egremont – create a ped crossing? One way entry in/out of West Drive?


Make Egremont Place single flow by introducing lights on QPR


Reroute some buses into Freshfield Road


Reroute bus number 23 along Freshfield Rd and Queen’s Park Terrace


Egremont Place west side needs a cycle lane for cyclists climbing uphill. Ideally separated and would need all parking to be removed.


Need seating for people walking



Displace car traffic from Egremont Place with a bus gate and requiring cars to use Freshfield/Mount Pleasant.


Upper Park Place is one way north and could see traffic displaced from Egremont making this junction even busier

Area wide



Are pollution levels being monitored?





Worried about increase in traffic – would like to see traffic reduction on boundary roads built in to the scheme targets and success criteria

Need more car share schemes and EV points



What is needed is behaviour change to reduce people owning cars – that would reduce traffic, not just slow it down


Blues & Two’s needs challenging – we don’t have an ambulance station on Elm Grove anymore so could we have humps?



QPR/Elm Grove proposals sound good, but very important to reduce speeds.





Pavement surfaces terrible in whole area – a real issue for accesibility





Accessible bus stops essential





Street furniture and surfaces – pavement surfaces poor and present trip hazard. Need benches placed on hills





More measures to encourage walking – street lights, handrails, community spaces


There is no mention of cycle lanes on QPR or Elm Grove and there should be



Can we look at using moss instead of trees it is more immediate, takes less space, needs less maintenance and you don’t get bird droppings with it.